peanutsMN
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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:24:26 AM
OK
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LostAgain2009
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:24:07 AM
This is good. Dealership service departments are nothing more than overpriced parts-swap barns.
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tomok
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Portland
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:23:23 AM
Long gone are the days of simple auto repair engine fixes, you could sit in the engine compartment with the engine and work on it. Now you need a computer to almost figure out what is wrong with it.
“This is just a money grab, plain and simple” That says it all!
You have the right to repair your vehicle yourself or at a repair shop of your choice. I still repair the mechanical areas but no so with the engine electrical and other technical issues.
Go to an auto parts store and use their code reader for free, just buy the parts from them for their service.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012
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AuntJaime
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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:23:14 AM
i know a guy
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peapaw
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Ohio
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:23:10 AM
ok
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eye-spy
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Quebec
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:23:04 AM
I only use the dealership if absolutely necessary.
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Don20
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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:22:52 AM
As such, consumers are often forced to get their vehicle repaired solely by a manufacturer's car dealer, denying them any choice. Often consumers cannot get their vehicle fixed by the mechanic they might prefer...
Any repair shop should have access to codes that is needed to repair your vehicle, NOT just the Dealer that is double on the labor bill... I have never gone back to any dealer after the warrantee runs out...
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taxcutter
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Tucson
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:22:32 AM
I can go to AAmco, and AutoZone and get car computer checked free of charge.
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Donliberty
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New York
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:19:44 AM
this is interesting..
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haleyfan
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Illinois
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:19:40 AM
good thing
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waynemustang
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Indiana
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:19:18 AM
Boycott those manufacturers.
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njerald
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Seattle
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:18:36 AM
More Liberal regulation..........
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slvrdo_dsprdo
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Nashville
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:17:09 AM
Would be good to have a choice where to take my car.
Also, can we change the new stories on a daily basis, please?
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Topshopper2011
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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:16:37 AM
very interesting
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Bud122CA
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California
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:16:31 AM
WE should be able to get repairs where ever we choose
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bbreff
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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:14:49 AM
I hope it works and is expanded across the country.
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waterwerks
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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:14:08 AM
Lowering shop rates is not going to work...I'd bet most of you (unless you are actually in the business) have never stepped foot in the shop where the Techs actully work. Most of them, unless you are in a high-end dealership lack A/C or have very poor A/C. The guys are left to deal with the crap brought in thats always a mess and is by no means clean to work on. The rates that are charged are high because most dealership do work against "Warranty Time" and the Tech makes little to nothing on it. The only time they really make money is on the cars out of warranty.
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carman11
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:13:24 AM
OK
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trugasCA
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California
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:12:52 AM
Good
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jmg144
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Maryland
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:12:42 AM
Why aren't more state legialatures establishing such a regulation?
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JXQW
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Kansas City
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:11:55 AM
right good, installing a cheap code reader will save a lot of trouble, it should be a standard in modern vehicles.
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lonewolfhead
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Texas
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:11:30 AM
ok
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teebone1234
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:11:04 AM
okay
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pilotmass
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Boston
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:09:54 AM
Glad we have it hear.
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Car54BC08
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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:09:12 AM
Have you ever tried to negotiate a lower rate before buying from the dealer?
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eccerr0r
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Fort Collins
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:08:41 AM
One of these days I'm tempted to build my own computer electronics for a car... side benefit being that then I can design my own software for theft prevention...
(step on gas to half throttle and have brakes depressed, flash high beams once then you're allowed to start, but then you have to turn the wipers on one shot else car will stall in 15 seconds? Who would have known? Oops...)
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pricechecker08
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Ohio
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:06:37 AM
dealers charge 75-100 dollars an hour Crazy prices
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snappytom2
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:06:32 AM
There is nothing like going after the rats in the woodpile.
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bigLtowing
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Columbus
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:06:29 AM
cool
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DeeMamma88
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San Bernardino
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:05:48 AM
I hate taking my car to the dealer for repairs but I don't know who else to trust...so I get ripped off either way.
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F81M
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Indiana
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:05:37 AM
You need to check before you buy. We shouldn't have to have a law to accomplish these results. Codes used to be openly available. What happened?
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LongPlay
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:05:06 AM
Whenever the government gets involved, we get screwed! We must get less government from the November elections.
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BM4225
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:04:03 AM
Well it that isn't a bunch of bunk. My shop had my 92 the year I purchased it, and have repaired all my cars before, and since.
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MrLuigi
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:03:15 AM
dealerships should be forced to lower their repair rates to a preset national average and if they want more/better business the manufacturer the represent should offer sales/coupons
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WebGabe
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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:02:55 AM
Ok.
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uglytom
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Florida
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:02:14 AM
Good bill!
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REVLAW
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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:01:29 AM
This one is getting stale.
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Discovery02
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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:01:06 AM
It has nothing to do with "intellectual Property Rights". They're not asking for the computer programming information but rather what the diagnostic codes mean on the computer you bought when you bought your car.
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zimowski
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San Jose
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:59:19 AM
I always feel like I'm being ripped off no matter where I get my car repaired.
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mikesr100
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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:58:40 AM
Buyer Beware
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Aserdaten
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Florida
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:58:28 AM
If NJ passes this potential law, an exception should be made where the thing needing repair is under warranty. The owner will not be paying for the repair, so this exception should be allowed.
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dad2two
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Dallas
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:58:15 AM
Consumers should take the time to research any alternatives that are out there. There are many independent mechanics that have all of the proper equipment to diagnose and repair an issue.
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rnlunder
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:56:05 AM
Just make sure that you get it written into the sales agreement that they will not deny you or your mechanic access to any maintenance data that may be stored in your car computer, or don't buy the car.
I think this new law may have some teeth and that states can force the automakers to provide information about all diagnostic codes....The whole purpose of OBD system is to standardize the diagnostics and repair procedures....not for any manufacturer to keep secrets.
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skybiker
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:55:56 AM
I think this is a good idea...
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msgt_usa
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Virginia
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:55:31 AM
More old text deleted
[Edited by: msgt_usa at 8/7/2012 10:56:43 AM EST]
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SirLancelot1
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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:55:03 AM
They will get you one way or another
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LoadToad
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San Diego
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:54:35 AM
That's something I was unaware.
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dabayer
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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:52:32 AM
We own the car, we have the right to repair it where we want.
The codes are our's!
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ethanol_is_bad
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Boise
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:52:32 AM
Sounds good... unless you are a dealership.
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q2
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:51:51 AM
it's about time
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INBwana
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:50:10 AM
Ysterday's article. Anything new?
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don10
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Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:50:08 AM
obamas fault
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