rjhenn

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Des Moines
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2012 12:48:31 AM
Cellsite - "ummm... rjhenn, the efficiency of gasoline powered cars is more like 25 to 30% and diesel vehicles can hit 40% or more."
Seems to depend on what sources you're using.
Which is odd for something that should be well-established.
In any event, 18.2% of an essentially free energy source is better than 40% of something that costs $4 a gallon.
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Cellsite

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Appleton
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 6:30:19 PM
ummm... rjhenn, the efficiency of gasoline powered cars is more like 25 to 30% and diesel vehicles can hit 40% or more.
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jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 5:08:41 PM
Alrighty then
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 2:46:16 AM
Black Silicon Solar Cell Hits 18.2% Efficiency, Should Help to Reduce Costs? Need Higher Solar Cell efficiency, Less manufacturing cost, More renewable energy from: Solar, Wind, Hydro, Thermal, Tidal and/or Nuclear. Caputure the heat inside a solar panel and use it to produce electricity. Make sure the local electrical utility will buy any extra power produced at the going electrical rate. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
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rjhenn

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Des Moines
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 12:06:40 AM
As has been pointed out, 18.2% efficiency doesn't seem like much, until you realize that internal combustion engines have an efficiency of only 18%-20%.
And you don't have to buy gas for solar cells.
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sljbc475

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Tucson
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:33:42 PM
Keep improving the effectiveness and make it affordable.
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Eugenian

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:33:31 PM
It's good to see more good news on the energy front. (Bad news for you oil profiteers. Boo hoo.)
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:14:41 PM
Okay, @libertyut, what dollar amount would you have accepted as money well spent? I have a feeling the answer is zero.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon just bought some more Hellfire missiles.
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paulydel

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Delaware
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:10:38 PM
Just like electronics upgrades are changing the way things work more effeciently.
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libertyut

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Utah
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:05:52 PM
And how much did it cost the American Tax payer to get to this point.
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HEMI4x4OH

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:02:12 PM
OK!
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carlsonguitars

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Portland
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 11:00:51 PM
It's all greek to me... I like TXKRB's post below... Totally misinformed... My parents have solar panels on their house, they generate enough electricity to run a washing machine, dryer, tv, AC, lights, and dishwasher all at the same time - AND STILL SELL POWER BACK TO THE GRID!!! It was installed a year ago, and they collect roughly a $500 check every month from the power company. Ya Bettah Ax Somebuddy!!!!!!! FO SHO!
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txkrb

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Texas
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:54:45 PM
Sounds like a advancement in solar technology but they do not state what the efficiency rating on standard solar cells is and aviator you cannot get enough solar cells on your roof with current technology to produce enough electricity to power your house with a/c running it can power many appliances but not a/c
and many champion authors still say ok
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abcdMA

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Worcester
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:52:40 PM
very low efficiency
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Jeeputtputt

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:50:29 PM
ok
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furiousfowl

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:49:51 PM
at least 50 % would be nice
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mstearno

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:49:09 PM
maybe nobama can stick 500 million in this
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pgerassi

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:46:04 PM
OK
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:45:40 PM
Solar is not meant to replace your local utility, @NemoIL. You would still need them at night and on cloudy days but when the sun is shining, you would produce enough power that you would spin your electric meter backwards.
At the end of the month, your meter will have hardly budged from the number it started from at the beginning of the month.
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PDQBlues

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:45:25 PM
That's great! Keep this progress going.
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FlyNFool

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:43:46 PM
ok
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:41:43 PM
How big is your home's roof, @clermont40miles? The average home can produce almost five kilowatts of power using photovoltaic modules on the roof. That's enough power that you would actually sell electricity back to your utility.
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BizBombe

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:40:13 PM
k
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GordoM

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:40:11 PM
I hope I live long enough to see this idea actually working.
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Aviator_Rob

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:39:13 PM
@chuckhermann is right, that really is a great advance in the technology. Anything that reduces the cost of solar cells will make them more cost effective and then you will see these newer cells everywhere.
And 18.2% may not seem very efficient but that will only get better in the future. Understand that the internal combustion engine is only 20% efficient. The other 80% of fuel is wasted as engine and exhaust heat. Now, with that being said, look at how many cars are on the road.
Solar really is the future and the future is coming fast.
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72_Monte

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:37:29 PM
Baby steps...
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chuckhermann

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New York
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:30:23 PM
Great advance in technology.
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saleboss

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:29:48 PM
Sorry but 18.2% doesn't sound very efficient to me!
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anthroMO

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:29:08 PM
not sure for a car but a house might be ok
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cwashi3324

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:28:21 PM
OK
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WIPACKERFAN

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:27:07 PM
18.2!!! This is very inefficient.
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drobbbb

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:26:37 PM
ok
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PoohMcGoo

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:26:18 PM
Ok
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blazerbob91

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:25:58 PM
great
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Rajah

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:23:35 PM
They keep getting better and better. Now they need to keep getting cheaper and cheaper.
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wayoung56

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:22:04 PM
Interesting article...
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mcmonsta

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:21:39 PM
if it was 80.2% then we're talking!
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billduhkid

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:21:33 PM
Would be great if some solar technology worked.
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goodbuy

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:18:33 PM
18.2% does not sound very good.
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clermont40miles

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:18:14 PM
Where do you buy them and how much area does it take to power a 100 amp service to a house?
Practicality and affordability are key.
PV's are too expensive and take too much area for the power produced. And life expectancies are not very good.
Keep trying.
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bonzoonfmb

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Florida
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:11:39 PM
The more efficiency there is the better.
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netman044

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Texas
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:09:31 PM
Government subsidies?
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Prodaddy

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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:06:41 PM
OK but how much do they really ocst??
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humancry

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:04:35 PM
Lets hope
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:03:59 PM
ok
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30mpg80

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:00:56 PM
Standing in the sunshine on a hot day, you can tell that is a lot of energy hitting you. Eighteen percent of that adds up quickly.
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Fitwit

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Stockton
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 10:00:03 PM
18.2% doesn't sound so good but when you realize that means free electricity it's great.
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mlmeng

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 9:58:58 PM
Keep developing until it is ready for market. Don't let the government push it through too early.
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BluWahoo

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Pensacola
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 9:58:40 PM
something for the future...let's stay in the present
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rjhenn

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Des Moines
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 9:55:38 PM
18.2% efficiency for essentially free electricity is much better than the 0% that you're getting now.
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